tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3218524178230712938.post2478317354536934955..comments2024-03-28T17:35:45.759-07:00Comments on modeling the SP: Small modeling project: PFE R-30-16 updateTony Thompsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11593061828601275378noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3218524178230712938.post-80829132928152566002011-09-15T17:17:57.130-07:002011-09-15T17:17:57.130-07:00That photo show a panel-less roof, which is NOT co...That photo show a panel-less roof, which is NOT correct for the R-30-16 cars, although the model is numbered within that class's numbers. You are correct that the R-40-4, as well as the R-30-9, had what was termed an outside metal roof, meaning a structural wood roof covered with steel sheet. Roof seams were covered with rectangular wooden battens which were also wrapped with steel sheet.<br /><br />You are right that the side of an R-40-4 is a couple of scale inches shorter than the R-30-16 or R-40-16, but that alone would not upset me. Naturally YMMV.<br />Tony ThompsonTony Thompsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11593061828601275378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3218524178230712938.post-21138939632788190912011-09-15T16:53:12.196-07:002011-09-15T16:53:12.196-07:00Tony, thank you for the clarification. My car is ...Tony, thank you for the clarification. My car is very close to the one shown here: http://www.bobsgardenpath.com/trains_R40_16.html . The roof seams, as you can see, are narrower than the rectangular x-sect seams of, for instance, the roof that comes with the ubiquitous Tichy R-40-4 kit (is that an "outside metal roof"?).<br /><br />Like the car in the picture mine seems to have been bashed on the Tichy body and therefore, if I'm correct, has aomewhat lower sides than an R-30-16 should have. I guess I'll write it off as a chimera and move on ...<br /><br />BarrySnailbumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05680478464083943575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3218524178230712938.post-61270989193226994742011-09-13T23:17:10.173-07:002011-09-13T23:17:10.173-07:00Barry, the model I built has a roof with straight,...Barry, the model I built has a roof with straight, raised panels. You can see them in the photo of the completed but unweathered model in the original post (click to enlarge it). This is also the roof that the prototype had. This roof was also used on many other freight cars of the era, so is readily available in model form. The InterMountain R-40-10 and R-40-23 cars have the same roof, though it will not exactly fit the Red Caboose body.<br /><br />To my knowledge, Terry Wegmann never tooled a flat steel roof without panels, so if your kit has such a part, I have no idea where it came from. Such roofs did exist on prototype cars for a short time at the end of the 1920s, but were quickly superseded by roofs with panels, which were far stiffer, and by the time the R-30-16 rebuilding took place in 1940, a flat roof was entirely obsolete. PFE would never have considered putting such a roof on rebuilds in 1940.<br /><br />When you say "raised, capped seams," what is the cross section? Are the seams rectangular in cross section, or hat-shaped? They should be the latter.<br />Tony ThompsonTony Thompsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11593061828601275378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3218524178230712938.post-26741755018163975842011-09-07T15:31:50.862-07:002011-09-07T15:31:50.862-07:00Tony,
I think I can tell from the pictures, but I...Tony,<br /><br />I think I can tell from the pictures, but I wanted to be sure: according to the PFE book (2d ed., p. 139) the R-30-16s had a roof ("solid steel roof") that was flat, without raised panels, between the raised, capped seams. Is that what you have modeled here? (I hope so, because I have a purchased R-30-16 model, purportedly with Terry Wegmann parts, that has it that way; and I would like to locate a few more such roofs to do the same project you describe here.) Thank you,<br /><br />BarrySnailbumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05680478464083943575noreply@blogger.com